tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post2149812723707311782..comments2023-08-27T06:53:36.768-06:00Comments on LANL: The Rest of the Story: Random Drug Testing at SandiaFrank Younghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02134775226991383924noreply@blogger.comBlogger67125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-719323381520127802008-11-03T19:44:00.000-07:002008-11-03T19:44:00.000-07:00...its hard to come up with a good excuse for test......its hard to come up with a good excuse for testing positive for cocaine.<BR/><BR/>From http://www.passyourdrugtest.com/false-positives.htm<BR/><BR/>Cocaine - Substances or Conditions which can cause false positives:<BR/>Kidney infection (kidney disease)<BR/>Liver infection (liver disease)<BR/>Diabetes<BR/>Amoxicillin, tonic water<BR/><BR/>fair enough, then when you get called in and speak with the doctor, and you screen out for all of these conditions. SOL dude.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-6255532345770381002008-11-03T08:39:00.000-07:002008-11-03T08:39:00.000-07:00...its hard to come up with a good excuse for test...<I>...its hard to come up with a good excuse for testing positive for cocaine.</I><BR/><BR/>From http://www.passyourdrugtest.com/false-positives.htm<BR/><BR/>Cocaine - Substances or Conditions which can cause false positives:<BR/>Kidney infection (kidney disease)<BR/>Liver infection (liver disease)<BR/>Diabetes<BR/>Amoxicillin, tonic waterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-78080112406547860592008-11-02T20:25:00.000-07:002008-11-02T20:25:00.000-07:006:58pm: "I was told that was flour!"6:58pm: "I was told that was flour!"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-31165533518535273622008-11-02T18:58:00.000-07:002008-11-02T18:58:00.000-07:00So hypothetically, *if* you were to get a false po...So hypothetically, *if* you were to get a false positive, then you get notified and sit down with the HSR-2 designated physician and review your medications, both OTC and prescribed.<BR/><BR/>But like 3:30 am pointed out, people have been fired for testing positive but even in HRP, I haven't heard of any false positives. Well,those who do test positive try the innocence plea, but for example, its hard to come up with a good excuse for testing positive for cocaine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-81220844070574040102008-11-02T17:13:00.000-07:002008-11-02T17:13:00.000-07:00(And actually, 7:15, the water was a little too co...(And actually, 7:15, the water was a little too cold. Kind of gave me an ice-cream headache).<BR/><BR/>They make you drink it? Now I do objectAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-87404908255810967852008-11-02T17:10:00.000-07:002008-11-02T17:10:00.000-07:00Why, of all of the actual issues out there, is dru...Why, of all of the actual issues out there, is drug testing one of the few that actually stirs up strong opinions with people?<BR/><BR/>In part cause we all know from personal experience the Marijuana is about as dangerous as dirt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-81529865623361964182008-11-02T17:09:00.000-07:002008-11-02T17:09:00.000-07:00"... benefits package such as 4 weeks vacation, 2 ..."... benefits package such as 4 weeks vacation, 2 weeks sick leave, 401k plan with 9% matching, pension, health benefits, continuing ed, 9/80 work hours, 12 vacation days off + Christmas grant..."<BR/><BR/>Ah,.... what's this "Christmas grant" !? Are you guys on the Domenici Baksheesh program?<BR/><BR/>Grantless and curious in LivermoreAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-6672272591832071022008-11-02T12:31:00.000-07:002008-11-02T12:31:00.000-07:00You know what... I dislike going for my drug and a...You know what... I dislike going for my drug and alcohol testing (HRP) as much as the next guy. But those who point out the professionalism of the drug testing staff are right on target. I've never felt like my dignity or privacy was at stake. My questions have always been answered, and the technician was patient with me when I had an episode of "shy bladder" (actually just really bad timing). I almost spilled my full cup on the guy one time, and he just laughed it off and said he'd been through much worse. The schedulers have also been polite and done their level best to accomodate my concerns. If you want to object to drug testing on principle, that's your right, but I can think of many, many ways it could be worse than what we experience at LANL. <BR/><BR/>(And actually, 7:15, the water was a little too cold. Kind of gave me an ice-cream headache).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-77552773629463852352008-11-01T19:15:00.000-06:002008-11-01T19:15:00.000-06:00Like all the other spoils at Los Alamos, workers a...Like all the other spoils at Los Alamos, workers are lucky to have a well structured drug program. The last place I worked at had a person do the drug test that looked like they were stoned. Does this blog ever compliment anything??? Wake up LANL, you have the best of everything and you still complain. I too went to pee in a van except mine was green. Talk about being equipped. What do you want to complain about now? Were the magazines old, the water too warm, the humidity to high in the van??? Get life, your rights are not being affected.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-49653345180642137752008-11-01T17:14:00.000-06:002008-11-01T17:14:00.000-06:00You're right 3:30 am!! I don't think drug testing ...You're right 3:30 am!! I don't think drug testing is right. I'm going to get a new job. I heard they are hiring at Wal-Mart in Espanola.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Wait a minute. I just found out they drug test too. Oh well, I'll guess I better stay at LANL and take my chances. At least I'll have a small benefits package such as 4 weeks vacation, 2 weeks sick leave, 401k plan with 9% matching, pension, health benefits, continuing ed, 9/80 work hours, 12 vacation days off + Christmas grant, and a great salary for the area. <BR/><BR/>Oh my, I just don't know how I will manage putting up with the possibility of getting drug tested.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-20404436239984673402008-11-01T15:44:00.000-06:002008-11-01T15:44:00.000-06:00"Why, of all of the actual issues out there, is dr..."Why, of all of the actual issues out there, is drug testing one of the few that actually stirs up strong opinions with people?"<BR/><BR/>It's a matter of principle. Honest people who follow the law are offended at a personal level by being subjected to drug testing and polygraph testing. People who work hard for a company do not appreciate the level of distrust from management that such activities imply. If I'm going to slave away so managers can get huge bonuses, I expect some respect and dignity in return. Sadly, this model has been destroyed in current corporate America.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-84434551711023617002008-11-01T03:30:00.000-06:002008-11-01T03:30:00.000-06:00I've been following this (and the previous blogs) ...I've been following this (and the previous blogs) since the Nanos shutdown, even after I quit LANL when the LANS idiocy came down the pipe. What I can't help but find odd is the fact that posts on drug testing seem to consistently gather rather large numbers of protesting comments. Why? <BR/><BR/>It would make sense if there was a well documented history of the "false positive issue" being a problem at the lab or elsewhere. How many false positive terminations have been documented on here at LANL? You'd think if any occurred, they would rapidly make their way on here as a condemnation of the LANL testing program. That would be prime blog fodder. But, we haven't seen any. <BR/><BR/>So, this false positive problem seems to be a false problem itself. I peed in the cup in the little blue van with the flag on the side out in the MST parking lot. It wasn't that bad - I peed, they approved, and my life at LANL continued as before. The only thing that changed was that one day I went to the bathroom in a little RV instead of my normal restroom. Given that at that point the janitorial services had already begun their cuts, leading to less frequent bathroom attention in my building, the clean RV was a somewhat pleasant change (aside from the cup - it's not quite as satisfying as a plain old urinal).<BR/><BR/>What's the big deal folks? Drug testing happens all over the place, especially in jobs where it is important to have some assurance of the stability of the workforce. It happens at weapons labs, it happens in technology companies - hell, I even heard of a case where a company tested their truckers on a semi-regular basis. Since when does a PhD exempt you from this? I have a PhD, and other than the initial odd feeling of having to go piss in a van, it didn't bother me that much. I never thought that my academic status had any relation to whether or not my employer had a right to see if I dabbled in narcotics.<BR/><BR/>Get over it folks. Get a new job if it bothers you that much. Why, of all of the actual issues out there, is drug testing one of the few that actually stirs up strong opinions with people?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-36225216759008903242008-10-31T21:29:00.000-06:002008-10-31T21:29:00.000-06:00" Let's subject those who fail the drug test to th..." Let's subject those who fail the drug test to three years in prison and the loss of their pension. That should fix things at LANL."<BR/><BR/>we'd be better off with the druggies if Tom Dago-stono leftAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-23212354996999498902008-10-31T21:27:00.000-06:002008-10-31T21:27:00.000-06:00"Let's subject those who fail the drug test to thr..."Let's subject those who fail the drug test to three years in prison and the loss of their pension. That should fix things at LANL..."<BR/><BR/> Or<BR/><BR/>Change the federal law so, like California, minor drug offenses are decriminalized. With general amnesty for those who've offenses are not violent, nor harmful. Then, as with alcohol, sex and cigarettes, there is a no tolerance during work hours rule.<BR/><BR/>It has worked very well in California, especially when busybody federal headline makers exited the stage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-46391359730380537442008-10-31T00:16:00.000-06:002008-10-31T00:16:00.000-06:00Let's subject those who fail the drug test to thre...Let's subject those who fail the drug test to three years in prison and the loss of their pension. That should fix things at LANL.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-33616792234103229392008-10-30T23:07:00.000-06:002008-10-30T23:07:00.000-06:00Speeding tickets and "other" legal issues remain n...Speeding tickets and "other" legal issues remain no big deal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-48278729524645939992008-10-30T22:32:00.000-06:002008-10-30T22:32:00.000-06:00Check out P732. Even uncleared workers have to re...Check out P732. Even uncleared workers have to report DWI's. The lab is not screwing around with drug positives or DWI's, people are really being fired for this stuff. I think someone decided to get strict. I guess it's time to move on if you like the party life. Oh well, back to the science.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-88213774287251758702008-10-30T22:01:00.000-06:002008-10-30T22:01:00.000-06:00It's those coffee drinkers that you need to watch ...It's those coffee drinkers that you need to watch out for. They are the worst!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-22672581741533576602008-10-30T20:46:00.000-06:002008-10-30T20:46:00.000-06:00How safe do you feel now?I trust every pot user I'...How safe do you feel now?<BR/><BR/>I trust every pot user I've ever known more than any Congress member.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-42991318070972791412008-10-30T20:44:00.000-06:002008-10-30T20:44:00.000-06:00its illegal to take another person's prescription ...its illegal to take another person's prescription narcotic medication.<BR/><BR/>Does this include those, "two who become as one flesh" or those who "make the two-backed beast"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-88209767222214811102008-10-30T20:42:00.000-06:002008-10-30T20:42:00.000-06:00The drunks are far worse than the people who smoke...The drunks are far worse than the people who smoke a joint once a month, everyone at LANL knows this. Who do you think is a worse risk?<BR/><BR/>Tom DAgostina by farAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-65724278985023731732008-10-30T20:37:00.001-06:002008-10-30T20:37:00.001-06:00False positives... I'm still waiting for the name ...False positives... I'm still waiting for the name of one single solitary person who claims to have been wrongly fired from LANL due to a false positive. <BR/><BR/>Hell, I'll even settle for the name of someone who claims to know someone this happened to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-64084837866789088622008-10-30T14:05:00.000-06:002008-10-30T14:05:00.000-06:009:47 PM: I like your "not so much" comment. You ar...9:47 PM: I like your "not so much" comment. You are "right", one needs to eat 2-3 legal poppy seed bagels to test positive for a drug test.<BR/>Reference: Mythbusters, first aired 03/07/03 <BR/><BR/>So what now with the legal/illegal issue. And, according to the Mythbusters crew the companies which produced the drug testing kits don't want to reveal their false positive rates either...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-52212684974257577792008-10-30T11:35:00.000-06:002008-10-30T11:35:00.000-06:00"I enjoy watching Congress, Bodman, DAgostino, Ana..."I enjoy watching Congress, Bodman, DAgostino, Anastasio, Miller and their like fail." - 10:40 AM<BR/><BR/>Unfortunately, their failures will likely mean the loss of many jobs, both at LANL and throughout the United States. Don't enjoy watching it too much.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-14302962538232271852008-10-30T10:40:00.000-06:002008-10-30T10:40:00.000-06:00I enjoy watching Congress, Bodman, DAgostino, Ana...I enjoy watching Congress, Bodman, DAgostino, Anastasio, Miller and their like fail.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com