tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post6943009075525773213..comments2023-08-27T06:53:36.768-06:00Comments on LANL: The Rest of the Story: Frank Younghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02134775226991383924noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-59342545477431866792007-05-27T09:17:00.000-06:002007-05-27T09:17:00.000-06:00Bravo, 5:24 a.m. Best summation of WHL that I've ...Bravo, 5:24 a.m. Best summation of WHL that I've seen on any of these blogs. And the most accurate.<BR/><BR/>And, regarding the statement "Why isn't Congress looking at the issue of using CONTRACTORS to do classified work? And why has UC and now LANS been successful in cheating CONTRACTORS out of service credit?"<BR/><BR/>Everyone at LANL is a contractor, whether you work for LANS or not. The only exceptions are the DOE folks (and the odd DOD person), and there aren't many of those.<BR/><BR/>The defense and DOE complexes are both chock full of contractors, and Congress is well aware of it. Using contractors is a way to reduce the number of Federal employees, and you can rest assured that Congress is behind such an idea.<BR/><BR/>And, yes, there are categories of classified material that can only be shown to Federal employees, which is how the Feds keep contractors (LANS and others) out of the loop when they don't have a "need to know".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-2331158592145174582007-05-24T23:06:00.000-06:002007-05-24T23:06:00.000-06:005:24 am:"JQ is correct to ask about others caught ...5:24 am:<BR/><BR/>"JQ is correct to ask about others caught "mishandling" information and what has been done about it... Her misfortune was that the "breach" went public"<BR/><BR/><BR/>"Mishandling??!!" "Misfortune??" Sorry, both she and Wen Ho Lee INTENTIONALLY BROKE THE LAW. In Quintana's case, it was sheer stupidity (obvious from her pathetic TV interview, for which CBS should be sued by her lawyers for portraying her as mentally impaired, even though she probably is). It wasn't "mishandling" by WHL, it was intentional, repeated, covert, and devious acts to steal and hide classified information. Cutting off the classification markings on documents and re-copying them to treat as unclassifed?? Knowingly re-entering his secure workplace (through duping his coworkers into "vouching") after he was told he was banned? Seven copies of tapes containing weapons data still unaccounted for (WHL "can't remember" what he did with them)? Whether he was a "spy" is irrelevant, since no one can agree on the definition. That he did irreparable damage to his country is irrefutable. There are still many WHL apologists at the Lab - too bad since this is prime evidence that we don't "get it" to Congress.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-17553030804131957112007-05-24T07:49:00.000-06:002007-05-24T07:49:00.000-06:00Other examples after WHL, not espionage, but proof...Other examples after WHL, not espionage, but proof of management using people as scape goats include disk drives, supposed lost classified media out at DX that, aqua regia incident, laser eye incident, americium incident, the lab shut down and the list goes on and on. In all these cases innocent people got scape-goated and their lives and careers destroyed (and in some cases people were wrongly fired) at the hands of high level officials and Lab Legal trying to find someone to blame instead of getting to the truth becuase the media got ahold of each of these stories and bad press was published.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-3298015957428745162007-05-24T05:24:00.000-06:002007-05-24T05:24:00.000-06:00I agree with 8:56.... And JQ is correct to ask abo...I agree with 8:56.... And JQ is correct to ask about others caught "mishandling" information and what has been done about it... Her misfortune was that the "breach" went public because of the meth lab and before LANL could start its spin and internal "mishandling" of the case.<BR/><BR/>Another questions the JQ case raises is WHY contractors (who are not lab employees) are allowed to work on classified information at all? It's yet another proof of CO-EMPLOYMENT at the LANL.... an issue of handing out work--even classified--to contractors and then never giving them service UC or LANS credit no matter how many YEARS they serve as contractors....<BR/><BR/>So exactly WHAT is this great dividing line between the 2 classes of employees at the lab? <BR/><BR/>Why isn't Congress looking at the issue of using CONTRACTORS to do classified work? And why has UC and now LANS been successful in cheating CONTRACTORS out of service credit?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-53960478118526072552007-05-23T20:56:00.000-06:002007-05-23T20:56:00.000-06:00I was tweaked by the fact that when the CIA told "...I was tweaked by the fact that when the CIA told "us" that they had discovered the Chinese had one of our warhead designs and they showed it to "us" we discovered design features that would have been added downstream in the design process from "us". The documents produced would not have come from LANL.<BR/><BR/>Funny thing is, they kept on looking for a Chinese Spy at LANL even after they knew that *THIS PARTICULAR* leak couldn't have come from LANL. That was damn funny (peculier, not ha-ha), especially to Wen Ho Lee.<BR/><BR/>I know one of the main computer forensics team who built the case against Lee and I trust that they did their work honestly and well and therefore trust that Lee was guilty of the "mishandling" he was accused of... <BR/><BR/>But that did not make him a spy and given that the FBI was told many ways many times that if there was a spy related to the CIA-provided docs, it was not someone at LANL.<BR/><BR/>So, yes, Wen Ho and Jessica Q. and others have been caught mishandling and that is a big deal. But it isn't the big-deal it was made out to be by press and congress and public.<BR/><BR/>Did anyone look into why the witch hunt continued? Clearly they needed to find a witch to justify the hunt. Good thing we had Wen Ho to toss them, otherwise they would probably have had to plant a "throw-down" on someone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-42008267514586046032007-05-23T20:14:00.000-06:002007-05-23T20:14:00.000-06:00Try the Bellows Report. Also the Cox Report (both ...Try the Bellows Report. Also the Cox Report (both unclassified or redacted for publuc release). Lee really was guilty and the only reason the government chickened was to avoid further bleeding. True fact - like it or don't. Espionage or just plain scientist-like stupidity, coupled with too-dangerous knowledge, who knows? Definitely another example of the failure of the security clearance process.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-73981480295970489122007-05-23T09:01:00.000-06:002007-05-23T09:01:00.000-06:00Of course there will always be those Lab "insiders...Of course there will always be those Lab "insiders" that insist they know the inside scoop, and that there is sooooo much more to the Wen Ho Lee story than can be revealed in the media due to the classified nature of the data Dr. Lee had in hand. Yea right! How convenient. It used to be a person was innocent until proven guilty. Now a person is guilty if high level officials, like then DOE Secretary Bill Richardson, says so and/or so long as the accused can't prove his innocence. I today's world you place the accused in shackles, in jail, separated from his family for months on in with no hope of release, and then if you still can't get the goods on him you force him (like they did in the old Soviet Union) to sign a confession of guilt to something (anything) as a condition of release. This is precisely what happened with Dr. Lee. Ironically enough his case basically set a new standard of low, for the level of judicial abuses Americans are willing to tolerate. Perhaps the Guantanamo detainment center should be renamed the Wen Ho Lee advanced justice complex. In other words (for those still too closed-minded to understand) what happened to Dr. Lee is a national disgrace. And the fact that his fellow citizens in this country couldn't see fit to even get the least bit outraged over what has transpired in this case says volumes about how entrenched biggotry remains not only within the ranks at Los Alamos, but in this nation as a whole. The generation that gave rise to the idealism of 60s has now become the without-conscience generation of the new millenium, and they're now running national labs like Los Alamos and running contrived wars on behalf of the oil industry in third world countries. All this brings to mind the movie Apocolyps Now, where Marlon Brando struggles to make sense of a world gone insane, repeatedly muttering under his breath the phrase--"the horror." Indeed...the horror.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com