tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post7118035728964955207..comments2023-08-27T06:53:36.768-06:00Comments on LANL: The Rest of the Story: MotivationsFrank Younghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02134775226991383924noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-20573375166624523062007-08-22T21:45:00.000-06:002007-08-22T21:45:00.000-06:008/22/07 9:08 PM hit the nail on the head. Seestro...8/22/07 9:08 PM hit the nail on the head. Seestrom + Neu = Uncle Toms.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-57640220845334615552007-08-22T21:08:00.000-06:002007-08-22T21:08:00.000-06:008/21/07 10:28 PM Never assume that women will ensu...8/21/07 10:28 PM <BR/><BR/>Never assume that women will ensure no gender discrimination, except when it comes to protecting their own assets.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-64747109284944030712007-08-22T19:26:00.000-06:002007-08-22T19:26:00.000-06:00"And this folks is how we got Martin Aguilera ... ..."And this folks is how we got Martin Aguilera ... <BR/><BR/>8/21/07 10:20 PM"<BR/><BR/>How come we still got him?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-34087269035453540782007-08-22T15:53:00.000-06:002007-08-22T15:53:00.000-06:00To anonymous at 8/22/07 2:11 PM:as a GL prior to a...To anonymous at 8/22/07 2:11 PM:<BR/>as a GL prior to and during the 1995, I participated in doing the employee ranking, etc. I also later participated in considering RIFees for re-hire.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-40416075356884098722007-08-22T14:11:00.000-06:002007-08-22T14:11:00.000-06:008/22/07 9:49 AMSo because you were a Group Leader ...8/22/07 9:49 AM<BR/><BR/>So because you were a Group Leader qualifies you to know something! Management has been our problem all this time. Don't you get it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-58461097463496446522007-08-22T12:37:00.000-06:002007-08-22T12:37:00.000-06:00For those that think a blog that caters to free sp...For those that think a blog that caters to free speech, like this one, is what's destroying the Lab...think again. It's the attitudes reflected in a lot of the posts here and elswhere that is doing us in not this or any other blog. It's our inabilty to respect and honor those we may disagree with that is killing us as an institution. It's the notion that "they," collectively, are the problem that IS the problem. So long as we judge others harshly we too will be judged harshly. And in the end, there will be now winners. That, you can bet on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-56063975196042430492007-08-22T09:49:00.000-06:002007-08-22T09:49:00.000-06:00Anonymous at 4:48pm on August 21st relates the fac...Anonymous at 4:48pm on August 21st relates the facts of the 1995 RIF pretty much as I remember them. I was a GL at the time and remember facts as s/he states them.<BR/><BR/>As far as discrimination at LANL, the only group of people that is under-represented relative to the demographics of their respective field is Anglo males. Yes, there are not a lot of Hispanic Physicists at LANL, but there are not very many Hispanic Physicists anywhere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-64577541342825681592007-08-21T23:30:00.000-06:002007-08-21T23:30:00.000-06:00From Poster 2:22 AM "..WTF is with the comments ab...From Poster 2:22 AM "..WTF is with the comments about Mrs. Neu? How do those contribute, at all, to this dialog?"<BR/><BR/>I believe you mean Mrs. Runde. Mr. Neu would not be pleased.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-43264606388720593442007-08-21T22:57:00.000-06:002007-08-21T22:57:00.000-06:008:41pmI take it you have a drinking problem. Get h...8:41pm<BR/><BR/>I take it you have a drinking problem. Get help. It will be better for all of us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-30559731474004503362007-08-21T22:28:00.000-06:002007-08-21T22:28:00.000-06:00So IF there was gender discrimination at LANL/LANS...So IF there was gender discrimination at LANL/LANS they would fix it instantly since any lawsuit would take them and their large fee to the cleaners. I would also think that Mary Neu and Sue Seastrom would not stand for gender discrimination and pay inequities at this institution. Therefore, I am pretty sure that there is no significant pay inequity between women and men at LANL/LANS and you are all a bunch whiney wenches, I mean Welches ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-57682521153354649122007-08-21T22:20:00.000-06:002007-08-21T22:20:00.000-06:004:48 PM wrote "...By this time, about 1998, most o...4:48 PM wrote "...By this time, about 1998, most of the highly-qualified RIFees had already found jobs. Many of those who were hired via this process were among those that should have been terminated for cause long before the 1995 RIF. These mostly ended up in overhead areas such a Facilities Management."<BR/><BR/>And this folks is how we got Martin Aguilera ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-18343396342130386522007-08-21T21:07:00.000-06:002007-08-21T21:07:00.000-06:00Drove around town the other day and noticed a huge...Drove around town the other day and noticed a huge number of "For Sale" signs in front of homes. It seems as if the number of homes for sale has taken another sudden jump upward. I wonder who all the sellers are? From the looks of some of the high prices they are asking, I don't think most of these sellers are sufficiently motivated to sell their homes just yet. Prices are bound to drop lower. How low they will go is anybody's guess.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-55233224420389500622007-08-21T20:42:00.000-06:002007-08-21T20:42:00.000-06:005:45pm: You appear to be lost. The WTF thread is...5:45pm: You appear to be lost. The WTF thread is the one with the license plate on the front.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-11271885640240126602007-08-21T20:41:00.000-06:002007-08-21T20:41:00.000-06:004:48PM needs to get off his pain meds. Too much O...4:48PM needs to get off his pain meds. Too much Oxy my friend. You don't know much about anything anymore. Your little fairy tale has more holes in it than a pound of swiss cheese. Boy did you fry your brain in backwater college. Couldn't stop laughing at your babbling nonsense. None of it made any sense, most of it was in error, and little of it matters when all is said and done. You and your racist/sexist cohorts just can't stand the fact that you've all had your behinds tatooed with a few good kicks over the years and there ain't a damn thing you can do about it, is there? Nope, there ain't. So go one an rant, go on and rage, go on and rewrite history to your satisfaction. In the end, we know...and you know the truth. You got beat!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-62120903084111041752007-08-21T18:06:00.000-06:002007-08-21T18:06:00.000-06:005:45pmIt seems like the 4:48pm poster has some id...5:45pm<BR/><BR/>It seems like the 4:48pm poster has some idea about what they are talking about. I am not sure about you. Saying WTF is not really an argument. <BR/><BR/>I know that some of the people the RIF list where indeed very very incompetent. It was stated on the old blog that Chris Mechels was one of those guys and now has a warped agenda againts LANL and spends all his time trying to hurt the lab. Looking at some of his inummerable wacked out letters that he sends to newspapers I would tend to agree with this assement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-35109069308210252752007-08-21T17:45:00.000-06:002007-08-21T17:45:00.000-06:008/21/07 4:48 PMWTF! You don't even have an idea o...8/21/07 4:48 PM<BR/><BR/>WTF! You don't even have an idea of the complete truth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-9205850282571084202007-08-21T16:48:00.000-06:002007-08-21T16:48:00.000-06:00Regarding LANL & bigotry:To set the recorcd straig...Regarding LANL & bigotry:<BR/><BR/>To set the recorcd straight on the 1995 RIF, in the summer of 1995, it was determined that overhead costs were out of control. The Director, Hecker, decided that the way to cut overhead costs was to reduce staff in the overhead areas. This, of course, made sense. So, a RIF was planned for November 1995. When the demographics of the RIFees were determined, it was found that those being RIFed were disproportionately women and Hispanics. So, we were told to find some TSMs and TECs to be RIFed in order to add some Anglos to the list. We were directed to rank-order our employees and the RIF of TSMs and TECs was to be done on the basis of that ranking. That was done and about 500 employees were RIFed. Some of the RIFees were really quality employees who just got caught in the downsizing while others were individuals who should have been terminated for cause many years prior.<BR/><BR/>An organization with a name of Committee for Los Alamos Employees' Rights (CLER) was formed. About 150 RIFees joined in a lawsuit claiming that the RIF was discriminatory. CLER put up five individuals as plaintiffs with the understanding that all would share in the award. <BR/><BR/>The five individuals were:<BR/>two Hispanics<BR/>two women<BR/>one Angle PhD, age ~55<BR/><BR/>The local press, primarily the New Mexican, published so many anti-LANL articles that a change of venue to ABQ was ordered.<BR/><BR/>UC prevailed in four of the five complaints. Only the 55 year-old Anglo male won, a victim of age discrimination.<BR/><BR/>CLER took its complaint to various government agencies. Finally one agency, led by a Clinton appointee, decided that LANL discriminated against women and Hispanics in the RIF and would have to hire about 150 of the RIFees back.<BR/><BR/>By this time, about 1998, most of the highly-qualified RIFees had already found jobs. Many of those who were hired via this process were among those that should have been terminated for cause long before the 1995 RIF. These mostly ended up in overhead areas such a Facilities Management.<BR/><BR/>On the subject of women and minorities at LANL and their salaries, one should not that in each employee classification (TSM, SSM, TEC, etc) the women and minorities average more paid leave than their Anglo counterparts. This results in lower productivity and, presumably, ORC scores and thus lower salaries. This is a nationwide fact. <BR/><BR/>In the case of the women, they are always stuck with the childcare: delivering/retrieving the kids from school and staying home with a sick kid. The Hispanics take a lot more family leave because their relative reside locally and they are expected to attend every funeral and instance of hospitalization.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-363470804999788872007-08-21T15:37:00.000-06:002007-08-21T15:37:00.000-06:0011:45AMIf Los Alamos was the epicenter of bigotry ...11:45AM<BR/><BR/>If Los Alamos was the epicenter of bigotry than there never would have been a Welch study and there never would have been any lawsuits. Just think about this for a second and you will understand what I mean. <BR/><BR/>Now of course Los Alamos can be improved in this regards along with every other organizations in the United States, however saying Los Alamos is the "epicenter of bigotry" is out and out complete bs and the 11:45AM poster knows it. I would also bet that the 11:45AM poster has no real concern for minorities or equal rights but is simply trying to attack LANL.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-25192171330771301662007-08-21T15:04:00.000-06:002007-08-21T15:04:00.000-06:0011:45 am:Since when is gender pay disparity on the...11:45 am:<BR/><BR/>Since when is gender pay disparity on the part of an employer a sign of bigotry among the residents of the town in which the employer operates? Based on national statistics, I'd guess you think just about all towns in the US are "epicenters of bigotry." Victimhood is so comfortable, eh? And anonymous slander so easy...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-23939263313608666532007-08-21T11:45:00.000-06:002007-08-21T11:45:00.000-06:009:10AM apparently doesn't read newspapers or watch...9:10AM apparently doesn't read newspapers or watch TV news. Too brilliant for such nonsense apparently, kind of like our current so-called President. Remember the layoff that occurred in 1995? Remember how the U.S. Department of Labor ruled that the Lab had conducted that layoff in a discriminatory manner? Remember the salary disparity case that just got settled? Remember that the Lab's own "Welch Study" concluded there was significant pay inequity with respect to women and minorities? Remember the Lab volunteering to make about $6 million or so in salary adjustments that weren't nearly enough to correct the disparity, but was a weak-kneed attempt nonetheless? Remember how the Lab was then sued, in two separate class actions, and how it then decided to settle for another $12 million or so, effectively admitting that it was still underpaying women and minorities relative to white men? Any of this ring a bell 9:10AM? Now do you see why some folks view Los Alamos the epicenter of bigotry in northern New Mexico? Or is your head just stuck to far up to see the light anymore?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-52594294885657705962007-08-21T10:03:00.000-06:002007-08-21T10:03:00.000-06:00To 10:35PM,I like you!To 10:35PM,<BR/>I like <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHFr6DgrF0w" REL="nofollow">you</A>!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-14063536799287265652007-08-21T09:10:00.000-06:002007-08-21T09:10:00.000-06:0010am said"But Los Alamos still remains the epicent...10am said<BR/><BR/>"But Los Alamos still remains the epicenter of bigotry"<BR/><BR/>This statement is beyond false.<BR/>From this statement you are (1)<BR/>A liar who is trying to hurt the lab. (2) Someone who has never been anywhere else in the United States and is really ignorant.<BR/><BR/>I think think (1). This is the problem with the blog. Anyone can just post any kind of made up nonsense. A crossection of Los Alamos ... yaaa riiighttt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-52559393331802056402007-08-21T08:36:00.000-06:002007-08-21T08:36:00.000-06:00I fully support Pinky and the Brain.You are PhD's ...I fully support Pinky and the Brain.<BR/><BR/>You are PhD's - you are supposed to be intelligent. The demise is on the hands of the staff as well as the incomptent.<BR/><BR/>Henceforth - we have no one to blame but ourselves.<BR/><BR/>Are there any adults out there?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-52893149341358693862007-08-20T21:44:00.000-06:002007-08-20T21:44:00.000-06:00People at LANL and Livermore don't have access to ...People at LANL and Livermore don't have access to newspaper articles that don't require a subscription?!?<BR/><BR/>What kind of misguided rationalization are you trying to peddle anyhow?<BR/><BR/>The myth of self importance. Sad really. Gain some perspective, some rigidity to your spine and a sense of having mastery over your own destiny for crying out loud!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-81358108159395214232007-08-20T18:51:00.000-06:002007-08-20T18:51:00.000-06:00The blog is great. Keep up the good work. It's a s...The blog is great. Keep up the good work. It's a source of information that normally people that work at LANL or LLNL wouldn't have. I will tell you that things at LLNL are already starting to be secretive to the point where the first line supervisors are not informed. Only a few people have the balls to post e-mails lab wide but they never seem to post them on the blog. Oh well, maybe they don't really want the entire world to know what is going on. Take care and keep doing a good job PinkyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com