tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post7119384816152616338..comments2023-08-27T06:53:36.768-06:00Comments on LANL: The Rest of the Story: Post November 19 RIF NewsFrank Younghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02134775226991383924noreply@blogger.comBlogger88125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-1859235621944258272007-11-20T17:47:00.000-07:002007-11-20T17:47:00.000-07:0012:31, where did you got that idea? All NEW LANS e...12:31, where did you got that idea? All NEW LANS employees hired beginning 6/1/07 go into TCP2 and service starts from hire date. This new employee group does not include transitioned employees who never left LANL, regardless of whether they chose TCP1 or TCP2.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-28595950799331248042007-11-20T12:31:00.000-07:002007-11-20T12:31:00.000-07:00Mike clearly stated that TCP1 and TCP2 would be co...Mike clearly stated that TCP1 and TCP2 would be considered equals with respect to the "voluntary involuntary" Phase 1.<BR/><BR/>My question is, will TCP1's and TCP2's also be considered equals during the 'involuntary involuntary' phase II of this RIF?<BR/><BR/>Seems to me they (LANS) understand that they must maintain some corporate knowledge/seniority even though many who fall into this category elected to go TCP2 and double dip...I thought all TCP2's were considered "new" employee's after June 1! What gives?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-51862136722898336572007-11-20T00:34:00.000-07:002007-11-20T00:34:00.000-07:002:15You want Miller? No shit! What are you smoking...2:15<BR/><BR/>You want Miller? No shit! What are you smoking? I want some.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-43221482600912282922007-11-19T22:16:00.000-07:002007-11-19T22:16:00.000-07:00"Does anyone out there have any more concrete info..."Does anyone out there have any more concrete information on what the severance really is, or is it still to be determined?"<BR/><BR/>Just like it was under UC - 1 week of pay for each of the first 6 years of service, then 2 weeks of pay for every year beyond 6, capped at 39 weeks of pay. That is more generous than any other DOE site.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-71889113707310007502007-11-19T20:27:00.000-07:002007-11-19T20:27:00.000-07:00A previous comment suggested the severance might b...A previous comment suggested the severance might be something like<BR/>"1/6 + 2/>6". We know that apparently there's a cap of 39 weeks. Does anyone out there have any more concrete information on what the severance really is, or is it still to be determined?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-87644138741859719932007-11-19T19:22:00.000-07:002007-11-19T19:22:00.000-07:00Those who listened closely will remember that Mike...Those who listened closely will remember that Mike said 750 =$100M for a year. Whether this is right or wrong, $100M is what they are trying to cover with the RIF. They are simply trying to cover the corporate fee of $80M and some change. Your jobs = the LANS board and ULM bonuses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-87037348993693651852007-11-19T15:48:00.000-07:002007-11-19T15:48:00.000-07:003:36 pm: "The one thing that really jumps out at m...3:36 pm: "The one thing that really jumps out at me is the focus on money. Who's making what, at what cost, how much can be saved. Is that what drives this lab?"<BR/><BR/>Yes. It's called a "for profit" operation. Didn't use to be that way, but congress and DOE/NNSA saw fit to change things. Now they can't get what they used to get for the same money, and the crunch is causing massive disruption to the lives of employees who've served the country very well over the years, and of their families. I imagine you would also be "driven" by money in the same circumstances.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-75718467282353485442007-11-19T15:36:00.000-07:002007-11-19T15:36:00.000-07:00I don't work at LANL and never had. I read this b...I don't work at LANL and never had. I read this blog to get an idea of what it's like there. The one thing that really jumps out at me is the focus on money. Who's making what, at what cost, how much can be saved. Is that what drives this lab?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-12745197132539535352007-11-19T14:58:00.000-07:002007-11-19T14:58:00.000-07:00In response to Ravenfriend's question about the se...In response to Ravenfriend's question about the severance pay - Anastasio mentioned several times today that they consider the entire process to be "involuntary", therefore, those that self-select (Phase 1), as well as those that are selected involuntarily (Phase 2) would all be eligible for the same severance package.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-88416378071404611362007-11-19T13:57:00.000-07:002007-11-19T13:57:00.000-07:00Well; now we've heard the basic plan. Is there any...Well; now we've heard the basic plan. Is there anyone out there who is altruistic enough to resign now to "save" another's job? <BR/><BR/>For example, my team leader owns a couple of businesses in Espanola, has a "rich," retired husband and doesn't need to work for a living. But I KNOW she isn't going to leave voluntarily.<BR/><BR/>Are we supposed to go out and encourage people like her to quit? (Maybe I can get her in a dark alley somewhere...)<BR/><BR/>Seriously, does anyone know if the Phase I severance pay is going to be the same as involuntary Phase II severance?Ravenfriendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14180962007727370314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-21637079360380484212007-11-19T12:18:00.000-07:002007-11-19T12:18:00.000-07:005:08, why should the DDs get a clue? I'm not a DD,...5:08, why should the DDs get a clue? I'm not a DD, but I see no difference between them and anyone else that has earned a pension from another job and is collecting. They were UC employees and are no longer.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, better to have them working on stuff and accounted for like everyone else.<BR/><BR/>Back in the fun days when groups controlled $, it was very, very common to retire from LANL and come back as a contractor. Probably some still around. We had a GL that hired back many of his retired pals as technical contractors. If he really liked them, he would make a TSM in the group write them their own contract and have them handle all the paperwork and financial stuff as well. We had guys retired from other divisions in our group as contractors, and their program pals from those other divisions sending them money for work without line manager knowledge. Needless to say, $ flow was a little less formal than it appears to be today. Although, as KSL issues seem to highlight, having formality doesn't give the entire picture. Can have tons of data, but if no one looks at it, it is of limited use.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-39297957125603553972007-11-19T11:52:00.000-07:002007-11-19T11:52:00.000-07:005:08 am:"It is time for the the double dippers to ...5:08 am:<BR/><BR/>"It is time for the the double dippers to get a clue."<BR/><BR/>I don't understand the animosity towards "double dippers." They took an opportunity that helps them and their families and hurts no one. Their first "dip" is a UC-paid pension that has no effect on the LANS financial problems. Their second "dip" is a salary paid for work, just as for any other LANS employee. What is the big deal, except jealousy? If you think they are old-timers who are not pulling their weight, then focus on the performance issue, not the "double dipping" issue. If you think they are taking up a spot you deserve, then convince your management you deserve it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-41002658882489440862007-11-19T11:33:00.000-07:002007-11-19T11:33:00.000-07:00some time ago there was a post and thread of comme...some time ago there was a post and thread of comments regarding what it would take to cause people to leave LANL....I wonder what their answers today are and how they compare to the previous thread's answers?<BR/>Me? Put out the standard severance package of 1/6 + 2/>6 and I'm outta here....no further incentive needed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-85013105225347552192007-11-19T08:44:00.000-07:002007-11-19T08:44:00.000-07:00The incentive is that you might NOT get laid off i...The incentive is that you might NOT get laid off if you don't take the VRIF.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-31681111605466854742007-11-19T08:16:00.000-07:002007-11-19T08:16:00.000-07:00Show me the incentive.Show me the incentive.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-29257541328627967482007-11-19T07:22:00.000-07:002007-11-19T07:22:00.000-07:003:46 AM:The reason things are so expensive is LANS...3:46 AM:<BR/><BR/>The reason things are so expensive is LANS; over $175M in non-productive costs; fee, gross receipts tax, pension contribution, too many overpaid managers, LANS's inability to control KSL costs, novice knee-jerk reactions (JB Weld, laptop pool, convoy training), and change for change sake (the Concur travel system is a disaster). These costs ARE what we're questioning. <BR/><BR/>3:46 AM: Sleep deprivation seems to have messed up your short-term memory.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-62346105668359269852007-11-19T05:08:00.000-07:002007-11-19T05:08:00.000-07:00It is time for the the double dippers to get a clu...It is time for the the double dippers to get a clue. We are very grateful for your 30+ year career but please move on after you hear the offer today.<BR/><BR/>It really is time...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-87043045490596430702007-11-19T03:46:00.000-07:002007-11-19T03:46:00.000-07:00Stop your whinning! I am sure that everyone of yo...Stop your whinning! I am sure that everyone of you took your raise this year, just like Mike and Terry took theirs. Perhaps if the workers would just start questioning why everything costs so much and why nothing works, then perhaps we could fix things.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-50106536747718472722007-11-18T21:11:00.000-07:002007-11-18T21:11:00.000-07:00You're compounding the issue, 9:06.You're compounding the issue, 9:06.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-2251038464488483322007-11-18T21:06:00.000-07:002007-11-18T21:06:00.000-07:00I think most people fought for capitalism, not cap...I think most people fought for capitalism, not capitolism. Perhaps it's the principal (sic) of the matter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-56274136107875910392007-11-18T21:02:00.000-07:002007-11-18T21:02:00.000-07:00Yeah, but what kind of car does he drive?Yeah, but what kind of car does he drive?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-11261778919233539212007-11-18T20:53:00.000-07:002007-11-18T20:53:00.000-07:00Capitolism, dumbshits, isn't that what you were fi...Capitolism, dumbshits, isn't that what you were fighting for during the cold war? If you want a lifetime of guaranteed jobs, you chose the wrong side.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-48092806745285799632007-11-18T19:25:00.000-07:002007-11-18T19:25:00.000-07:0011/17/07 3:01 PM, good catch. For example, Mallory...11/17/07 3:01 PM, good catch. For example, Mallory's base salary is around $440K.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-26116711980018170512007-11-18T18:20:00.000-07:002007-11-18T18:20:00.000-07:00Ethical management? Annoncing layoffs as the holid...Ethical management? Annoncing layoffs as the holiday season begins? Seems to be an activity of low moral standing to do so. Yes, people will reduce spending on the holidays, but they will not be happy hoidays. All so a grubby few can get rich. <BR/><BR/>What's with these LANS Managers" driving vehicles leased by LANS. I thought that there was a funding issue, but instead they display conspicuous consumption while others face the loss of their jobs and possible bankruptcy.<BR/><BR/>Does that seem right?<BR/><BR/>It needs to be stopped. Now. Who knows how to do so, legally.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28220200.post-50088030230733524192007-11-18T18:14:00.000-07:002007-11-18T18:14:00.000-07:00Remember to bring copious amounts of vasoline.Remember to bring copious amounts of vasoline.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com