Mar 25, 2008

The U.S. nuclear weapons complex: Pushing for a new production capability

On January 15, the Wall Street Journal published an op-ed by former secretaries of state George Shultz and Henry Kissinger, former Defense Secretary William Perry, and former Georgia Republican Sen. Sam Nunn, which 37 other national security experts also endorsed. Entitled "Toward A Nuclear-Free World," it was the second such essay in the Journal by these authors in as many years. (See also "A World Free of Nuclear Weapons.") Both essays concerned the benefits--some immediate, others long-term--of specific nuclear policies the authors believe would be best advanced under the nuclear disarmament banner.

These authors do not mention that the United States and four other nuclear states (Russia, Britain, France, and China) are already legally bound to "pursue negotiations in good faith on effective measures relating to cessation of the nuclear arms race at an early date and to nuclear disarmament . . ." by Article VI of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT). The opinion of the World Court and subsequent U.S. diplomatic agreements has confirmed the binding character of these twin commitments to end the arms race and achieve nuclear disarmament. 1 Most observers agree that the collective unwillingness of the five NPT nuclear weapons states to persuasively implement these Article VI obligations has harmed the NPT and the law-based nonproliferation regime it underpins. 2

If the disarmament aspiration expressed in these two essays means anything, it means refraining from long-term investments in the specialized, "responsive" infrastructure needed to make novel warheads. Nuclear weapons infrastructure investments that require large, long-term commitments of capital and skilled technical labor--scarce resources in any country--are good indicators of national nuclear intent. In other words, infrastructure investments make, and are, nuclear policy.

The U.S. government says as much. In 2006, Linton Brooks, the then administrator of the National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA), emphasized the importance of long-term manufacturing investments as a foundation of more aggressive nuclear policies a "couple of decades" hence. "We can change our declaratory [nuclear] policy in a day," he said during a speech [PDF] to the East Tennessee Economic Council. "We can make operational and targeting changes in weeks or months. In a year or so we can improve integration of nuclear and non-nuclear offense. By contrast, the infrastructure and the stockpile it can support cannot change as quickly. Full infrastructure changes may take a couple of decades."

Brooks is right. The factory complex at Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL) needed to produce the fissile plutonium cores, or "pits," for RRW or another new warhead isn't expected to be completed until at least 2017. But as long as design and construction of these production facilities proceeds, Congress could "halt" RRW for a few more years, as it did in late 2007, without significantly affecting its final delivery schedule, assuming it were eventually approved.

Warhead design and engineering development are short-term activities compared with designing, constructing, equipping, and standing up operations in the facilities needed to actually build RRWs. The new buildings needed are orders of magnitude more complicated than the warheads and there is considerable managerial risk involved in acquiring them. 3 For example, the nuclear explosive portion in a warhead or bomb contains at most a few hundred components, nearly all of which are inert until use. By contrast, a typical automobile has more than 10,000 parts. A plutonium production complex contains millions of parts, and such a complex is anything but inert. To successfully operate it would require training and coordinating at least 1,000 people and would also require some success in meeting safety, security, and environment standards. Construction of the most recent large-scale U.S. pit production facility, Building 371 at Rocky Flats in Colorado began in 1973 and was completed in 1981 at a cost of $225 million ($524 million in today's dollars). It operated for only one month before the Energy Department realized that the technology on which it was based would not work. The repair cost $400 million and took eight years. Energy called it a "fiasco."

NNSA describes the proposed new factories at LANL as merely providing "capacity," as if "capacity" could be created and then mothballed. One cannot build, equip, and stand up highly specialized factories that cost billions of dollars and hire and train hundreds of highly specialized technicians over many years without actually making the objects these costly and complex arrangements were meant to produce.

The proposed Chemistry and Metallurgy Research Replacement (CMRR) Facility at Los Alamos. The United States has now begun to heavily invest in the specialized manufacturing infrastructure needed for new nuclear weapons, pivotally at LANL. The flagship of this complex is the CMRR project to be built at LANL's Technical Area (TA)-55. NNSA describes the current cost for CMRR as at least $2.2 billion. But if completed, it would probably cost more. 4

The CMRR consists of two buildings--the Nuclear Facility (NF), comprising roughly nine-tenths of the project in dollar terms, and the Radiological Laboratory, Utility, and Office Building (RLUOB). Together, the two buildings would comprise some 400,000 square feet of new interior space, and the NF's 6-metric ton vault would approximately triple LANL's plutonium storage capacity. 5 If completed, the CMRR would be the largest construction project in the history of LANL in inflation-corrected dollars.

The two CMRR buildings would be linked by tunnels and connect to LANL's existing 30-year-old plutonium facility (PF-4), which has been modified for production using operational funds over the last decade or more. NNSA has now begun a more extensive renovation of PF-4 in an open-ended, long-term construction line item called the "TA-55 Reinvestment Project."

At present, pit production utilizes approximately one-quarter of PF-4's 59,600 square feet of nuclear floor space; the CMRR NF would add at least 22,500 additional square feet of this type, some with greater ceiling height, providing greater operational flexibility. Ceiling height has been a limiting factor regarding manufacturing equipment and production processes in PF-4.

RLUOB construction is approximately 40 percent complete, while after four years, the Nuclear Facility is still in preliminary design and it's unclear when, or if, it will be completed or when construction might begin if approved. Physically, the 90,000-cubic-yard pit dug at the NF site, ostensibly to investigate seismic conditions, is now the staging yard for RLUOB construction. Therefore, the earliest possible construction start date for the NF is spring 2009--the earliest RLUOB could be completed. 6

Such a schedule seems optimistic, as a number of significant NF design issues remain unresolved, including seismic design, overall safety design, and building size. (See the summary of the "Draft Complex Transformation Supplemental Programmatic Environmental Impact Statement" [PDF].) As of March 2007, conceptual vault design, including provisions for fail-safe cooling of plutonium stores, hadn't been finalized. 7

It's difficult to predict the ultimate capacity of a LANL pit production complex anchored by a renovated PF-4 and the two CMRR buildings--especially if additional production space or an additional two production buildings were subsequently added, as NNSA suggests might happen. 8

Whether built with just the RLUOB, the RLUOB and the NF as planned, the RLUOB plus a "supersized" NF, or with the whole project doubled in size by subsequent construction, the CMRR is unnecessary to maintain the present nuclear arsenal or any subset of it for several decades. The CMRR is needed, however, to manufacture significant quantities of pits for novel nuclear explosives. 9

How many pits could LANL make--with and without CMRR? LANL has possessed the capability to make pits since 1945. But until last year--when it produced 11 new pits, some or all of which were assembled into W88 Trident warheads at the Pantex nuclear weapons plant near Amarillo, Texas--LANL hasn't made pits for the stockpile since 1949, with one or two possible exceptions. 10

LANL's current pit manufacturing capacity is uncertain and open to interpretation. On the one hand, NNSA could choose to displace or terminate certain programs currently housed in PF-4; on the other hand, some of those programs are likely needed for new-design nuclear explosive package certification, without which pit production has no reason to proceed.

At a minimum, successful certification of new-design nuclear explosives requires the use of extensive design, testing, and simulation capabilities. These might not be sufficient; nuclear testing might also be required. So any decision to resume pit production has long coattails, tasking most of PF-4 and much of the nuclear weapons complex as a whole.

In February 1996, Energy said LANL's pit production capacity, prior to any investment, was "10 to 20 pits per year." 11 Later that year, Energy stated that LANL pit production of "up to 50 [pits] per year" is "inherent with the facilities and equipment required to manufacture one component [pit] for any stockpile system." 12 In 2005, the Secretary of Energy's Advisory Board (SEAB) Nuclear Weapons Complex Infrastructure Task Force [PDF] said LANL's existing pit production capacity could (and should) be increased by a ratio of "1:20." This twentyfold increase wasn't a rhetorical flourish; rather, it was predicated on producing an RRW or RRW-like pit designed for mass production involving simpler design, broader tolerances, robotic production technologies in some steps, and fewer toxic materials, which would allow greater ease, flexibility, and speed of production. 13

This year, NNSA stated, "A reasonable judgment of the inherent capacity of a production line for nuclear components exceeds 50 per year. A modern factory-style layout could result in a minimum [emphasis added] inherent capacity in the range of 125 components per year." 14

Existing LANL pit production capacity is somewhat predicated on the nine-wing Chemistry and Metallurgy Research (CMR) building in TA-3. Despite extensive recent upgrades, much of the CMR may be nearing the end of its usefulness for this purpose. According to NNSA Administrator Tom D'Agostino, pit production could continue at LANL without either the CMRR or CMR, or possibly with part of the CMR, as NNSA wrote in response to congressional questions in 2007. 15

How many pits per year LANL could produce if CMRR were built is even less clear, as the uncertainties--including uncertainties in CMRR's size and the number of facilities ultimately available at TA-55--are compounded. In addition, as a senior Energy official explained to me in 2002, the achievable production rate in a given number of square feet of plutonium space is a sensitive function of the technology used. It is also a function of the complexity and tolerances required in the type of pits produced. Any capacity cited today isn't necessarily what might be available 10 years from now if technology development were to continue--and RRW were approved.

Production capacity is also a function of flexibility, e.g. whether two or more kinds of pits are to be produced simultaneously or in rapid succession.

The lowest capacity is governed by what might be called the "fiasco factor." Accidents and malicious acts, previously unknown or undisclosed infrastructure or management inadequacies, enforcement actions, and preventive stand-downs have all occurred at LANL and are real possibilities. A production capacity of zero could easily result from any of them, possibly for a long time.

The highest capacity achievable could be significantly greater than the advertised maximum of 200 pits per year.

CMRR's congressional funding. CMRR appeared in 2003 as a "project engineering and development" line item, becoming a standalone construction project the following year. Since then the Senate, thanks to New Mexico Republican Sen. Pete Domenici, has reliably backed CMRR funding. The House of Representatives, however, has zeroed out the CMRR in three of the past five years and proposed cuts of more than one-half in the other years. The Senate has largely won these battles.

In its most recent markup (for the fiscal year 2008 appropriation), the House Appropriations Committee zeroed out the project and wrote: "Proceeding with the CMRR project as currently designed will strongly prejudice any nuclear complex transformation plan. The CMRR facility has no coherent mission to justify it unless the decision is made to begin an aggressive new nuclear warhead design and pit production mission at Los Alamos National Laboratory." The House as a whole agreed with this assessment by a wide margin, rebuffing an amendment introduced by New Mexico Democratic Rep. Tom Udall to restore funding for the CMRR, pit production operations, and nuclear weapons overall.

But Senate appropriators had fully funded the project. When the omnibus appropriations bill finally passed in mid-December, the CMRR was funded at $75 million for fiscal year 2008, about 86 percent of NNSA's request. Neither the bill nor the report contain specific guidance as to which parts of the CMRR project are to receive the abridged funding; project management is privileging RLUOB construction. 16

What dire consequences would occur if the CMRR Nuclear Facility wasn't built? None. Halting the CMRR would not even remotely threaten any existing U.S. nuclear capability--not now and not for many decades to come. But such a step could reflect an aspiration toward disarmament, depending on other policies adopted. In that case, it would express the spirit of the Shultz, Perry, Kissinger and Nunn editorials.

If the United States isn't prepared to take even this kind of baby step toward fulfilling its NPT obligations, it's difficult to see how Washington could ever play a constructive role in the international cooperation necessary to prevent nuclear proliferation.

This article has been adapted from a larger piece entitled "Build Warhead Factories Now, Worry About Weapons Policy Later: Will Congress Take Back the Reins?" [PDF], available at the Los Alamos Study Group website.

1The United States reiterated its commitment to nuclear abolition in the consensus statement of the 2000 Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) Review Conference, agreeing to a set of 13 detailed, "practical steps for the systematic and progressive efforts to implement Article VI." Prior to this, the World Court unanimously ruled in 1996 that "there exists an obligation to pursue in good faith and bring to a conclusion [Emphasis added.] negotiations leading to nuclear disarmament in all its aspects under strict and effective international control."
2The author speaks from personal observations at several NPT preparatory and review conferences but also see the formal conclusions of Lewis Dunn et al, Science Applications International Corporation, "Foreign Perspectives on U.S. Nuclear Policy and Posture" [PDF], December 4, 2006, prepared for the Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA). Another recent testimony to this view is a speech delivered by IAEA Secretary-General Mohamed ElBaradei on February 11, 2008.
3Keith Schneider, "U.S. Spent Billions on Atom Projects That Have Failed," New York Times, December 11, 1988, p. A1.
4 Energy Department Congressional Budget Request for FY2009, Vol. 1 [PDF], National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA), p. 298. The cost of more than $2.2 billion for the Chemistry and Metallurgy Research Replacement Facility (CMRR) is derived from NNSA's estimate of "above" $2 billion for the CMRR Nuclear Facility (NF), its estimate of $164 million for the Radiological, Utility, and Office Building (RLUOB), and an allowance in the low tens of millions for specialized RLUOB equipment and furnishings--carried now in a separate CMRR project account, "Phase B"--bringing the total to "above" $2.2 billion. Construction costs for even ordinary construction are inflating rapidly and can be expected to continue to increase for the next decade. The CMRR NF is a complex project that involves large quantities of concrete and steel. For these reasons, the CMRR can be expected to increase in cost significantly over the nine years NNSA allots for further design and construction. These CMRR costs don't include the required new $240 million Technical Area (TA)-55 security perimeter, which must in part be built twice to accommodate construction, the new Pit Radiography Facility ($47 million), the TA-55 Reinvestment Project (at least $200 million), the Radioactive Liquid Waste Treatment Facility Upgrade ($80 million), or the TA-54 nuclear waste disposal expansion project (at least $60 million). Nor do they include demolition and disposal of the existing Chemistry and Metallurgy Research (CMR) facility ($400 million). All of these projects (save for CMR demolition and disposal) are functionally required for CMRR operation.
5Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL), CMRR briefing slides, p. 8, no date.
6Personal communication with Steve Fong, NNSA CMRR project staff, January 18, 2007.
7Oral response to author's questions, CMRR public meeting, Fuller Lodge, Los Alamos, New Mexico, March 2007.
8See NNSA, "Draft Complex Transformation Supplemental Programmatic Environmental Impact Statement," pp. S34, 35. Similar plans have been internally available at LANL since at least 2001, e.g., LANL 2001 Comprehensive Site Plan, "TA-55 Preconceptual Plan," Los Alamos Study Group files.
9Neither the CMRR nor Technical Area (TA)-55 as a whole is needed to produce nuclear explosives made with uranium.
10According to a personal communication with Ken Silver at East Tennessee State University, there are indications LANL's TA-21 site may have briefly resumed quantity pit production in the immediate aftermath of the disastrous 1969 fire at Rocky Flats.
11Energy Department, Draft Stockpile Stewardship and Management Programmatic Environmental Impact Statement (SSM PEIS), Los Alamos Study Group.
12Energy Department, Final SSM PEIS, Volume 1, pp. 3-4, Table, note "A," September 1996. Note: "A" is note "1" there.
13Anonymous congressional source.
14NNSA, "Complex Transformation Supplemental Programmatic Environmental Impact Statement (CTSPEIS)," pp. 2-22, December 2007.
15House Energy and Water Development Appropriations Subcommittee, March 29, 2007, supplemental questions for the record, p. 584 in printed version of "Energy and Water Development Appropriations for 2008." The use of CMR as solely a radiological laboratory rather than a nuclear facility, to my knowledge, hasn't been investigated. Neither to my knowledge has there been any comprehensive study of current and planned mission requirements for LANL's nuclear facilities or radiological facilities.
16Personal communication with Steve Fong.


Anonymous said...

The political landscape strongly indicates that additional CMRR construction will be halted and LANL will continue on the current path of producing only around 10 pits per year. NNSA has done a very poor job of selling their bombplex idea to Congress and the number of supporters of this plan in Congress is rapidly dropping. The retirement of Pete Domenici is the final nail in the coffin for this grand plan.

Anonymous said...

I agree, only Domenici could have kept this mess alive, and even he had a very difficult up-hill battle. With the new Congrtess and the United States budget as tight as it's going to be, I think that this is history.

Anonymous said...

"A world free of nuclear weapons"?

That's where we came from a few decades ago.

If no one country has one ...wink, wink,...kind of takes us back to the time when there was a race to get one doesn't it?

Anonymous said...

Three whole posts, Greggy.

It means you're being ignored.

Anonymous said...

"It means you're being ignored."

...By a bunch of craven idiots who have a vested interest in CMRR going forward regardless of its merits, who are reading your column in a forum that you did not publish it in.


Anonymous said...

FTFY; Fixed That For You?!


(He (Greg Mello) didn´t fix anything, especially in the understanding of nuclear weapons, he´s a "naive zeroist," e.g. zero nuclear wepons in the World, and especially in US, US should reach zero first, and the rest will follow?!, not a route to embark.)

Pinky and The Brain said...

You may disagree with Greg about whether a nuclear free world is something we should work towards, or perhaps on the details of how to accomplish that, but what about the point of his article?

Greg asks the question, "What dire consequences would occur if the CMRR Nuclear Facility wasn't built?"

He also states his (well referenced) conclusion, "None. Halting the CMRR would not even remotely threaten any existing U.S. nuclear capability--not now and not for many decades to come."

What is your answer to Greg's question, 9:24 PM?

Anonymous said...

Cheerleaders at LANL for the bombplex idea should realize that (a) NNSA doesn't have the money for these new facilities, and (b) the money would come about by severely squeezing the existing lab budgets.

The outcome of all this will be that NNSA would cut science funding and jobs to fund buildings if CMRR goes forward. There will be some new construction and project management jobs, but not much will be left for doing any science.

Those staff members at LANL who are rooting for this NNSA plan need to be very careful about what they hope for because if CMRR goes forward they may soon find they are out of a job.

Anonymous said...

Geez, from some of these posts, many of the LANS employees are really not in tune to whats happeniong with the CMMR. No wonder the lab is declining so fast. One would think that most employees were a bit more informed on such an important issue.?

Anonymous said...

3/26/08 10:03 PM P&TB

I have previously (3/11/08 10:46 PM) written on the same topic, i.e. "zeroing out" nuclear weapons in US, and naively believe the enemy will follow:

"The ill-thought idea of ´Reaffirm a U.S. committment to complete nuclear disarmament.´[Garwin], and ´Getting to Zero´[Nuclear weapons], from the ´Reykjavik Revisited: Steps Toward A World Free Of Nuclear Weapons,´ October 24-25, 2007, Hoover Institution, Stanford University, Toward a Nuclear-Free World, by George P. Shultz, William J. Perry, Henry A. Kissinger, Sam Nunn, January 15, 2008, Wall Street Journal (2nd year), and Greg Mello: "I have never said LANL ´should´make nuclear weapons, only that LANL ´could´do so. Nobody ´should´make nuclear weapons, in my view.", from LANL: The Rest of the Story, 3/10/08 2:41 PM, and similar remarks at, and

This (´zeroing out´nuclear weapons in U.S., and naively believe that the enemy will follow), is a highly dangerous, idealistic, and naive path, that eventually could lead to the consequence that U.S. lose its status as a superpower, not a route to embark."

Post 3/12/08 7:28 AM concluded:


"Correct. We only have to look at history to see that ´follow the leader´diplomacy doesn´t work.

In 1978, President Carter and the then Congress wanted to stem the spread of reprocessing / recycling of spent fuel from nuclear reactors. They ´reasoned´that if the US would forgo reprocessing, then other nations like Great Britain, France, and Japan would also forgo reprocessing. So reprocessing was outlawed in the USA.

Well, it has been 3 decades since; and Great Britain, France, and Japan all reprocess / recycle their spent nuclear reactor fuel.

The nations of the world make their own decisions, for their own reasons; and don´t follow the USA like a bunch of lemmings."

(My remark: India´s first nuclear test, May 18, 1974, was made of reprocessed nuclear technoloogy, this event in India was the ill-thought idea that led President Carter and the then Congress to outlaw reprocessing in US.)

And the question of, no CMRR, now, or at any foreseeable time as Greg Mello intend, that is the will to nothingness, i.e. Nihilism, not a path to follow for LANL, or DOE/NNSA.

And finally; Greg Mello doesn´t set policy for LANL, or DOE/NNSA.

Anonymous said...

The simple fact is that the existing CMR will be closed, maybe kicking and screaming on the part of NNSA, but CLOSED. Then, what becomes of the Pu work done there to support the stockpile? Notwithstanding D'Agostino's singular remark to congress (Mello's ref. 15), not repeated in or derived from any technical analysis I can find, or even in DOE/NNSA policy, it's a de facto hit to US NW capability. Greg's entire conclusion depends on this unsupported assertion by D'Agostino. Sort of stealth disarmament. Greg's specialty.

Anonymous said...

"And finally; Greg Mello doesn´t set policy for LANL, or DOE/NNSA."

Greg, like any citizen, has the right and moral obligation to speak out and try to influence government policy. He does so publicly, and without the shelter of anonymity. This makes him a better citizen than you.

Pinky and The Brain said...

3/27/08 7:49 PM,
Could you possibly rephrase this part?

And the question of, no CMRR, now, or at any foreseeable time as Greg Mello intend, that is the will to nothingness, i.e. Nihilism, not a path to follow for LANL, or DOE/NNSA.

Anonymous said...

I'll take Mello's "nihilism" over 7:49's onanism any day.

Anonymous said...

We will have a nuclear free US soon, because NNSA leaders are incompetent to carry out the mission.

Anonymous said...

Why must there be "dire consequences" Pinky? Is it really so much to ask that our employees not have to work in Cold War-era shitholes like the original CMR building? Did you know we are spending $25M annually just to keep the doors open on CMR?

Anonymous said...

Would you like marble counter tops and hardwood floors. Maybe solid gold toilets, your majesty.

There is a war going on and enormous deficits, and you whine about having to work in an old building.

And $25M/year means that a $500M building would take twenty years to break even.

Anonymous said...

8:29 pm: "There is a war going on and enormous deficits, and you whine about having to work in an old building."

"Old" means unsafe and unsustainable. Would you like to work there? Of course not. You'd rather use brinksmanship to close it. Very juvenile of you. How about admitting the mission is one the government will sustain, and that to do that, guaranteeing safety for the workers and the surrounding communities, CMRR must be built? Pretty simple, and not "whining." Let's hear your alternative that gets the job done cheaper and better.

Anonymous said...

3/29/08 9:58 PM

He (most likely he) is just arrogant. He/she just want to make fun of LANL, and its current problems, and its mission.

He/she has almost no understanding of the national security mission, or doesn´t want to know the rationale for it.

He/she most likely doesn´t understand why the US have a nuclear deterrence, and will sustain it.

(Post like that (3/29/08 8:29 PM) will you find in waste numbers at;,, and elsewhere.)

Anonymous said...

"How about admitting the mission is one the government will sustain, and that to do that, guaranteeing safety for the workers and the surrounding communities, CMRR must be built?"

Fine, I'll play your game. Then NNSA should present the case without subterfuge to Congress, and wait for Congress to vote for it. Until then, it is really none of your business and you should just quit being such a baby: 'boo hoo, my building is old.'

Anonymous said...

Does it make sense to build CMRR now? It might be a better option to build it somewhere else later. It isn't clear yet how much production is going to take place here. Or how useful DARHT is going to be.

Anonymous said...

Yes, let's save some money now by simply letting all of LANL's buildings fall further into disrepair than they already are. Then we can save another $2B per year by just shutting the place down, because, after all, it wouldn't be SAFE for anyone to work in such decrepit facilities.

And sure, let's wait until the Democrats are in the White House and the Iraq War is over. That will *certainly* cure us of all deficit spending and make it much easier for the nation to afford CMRR!

Anonymous said...

"It isn't clear yet how much production is going to take place here." (12:25 AM)

The NNSA bombplex idea is going nowhere in Congress. LANL will get RLUOB finished, but not much else. NNSA's plan to use RLUOB as a strategic 'wedge' to complete their bombplex plan isn't going to fool anyone in Congress.

"Or how useful DARHT is going to be." (12:25 AM)

DARHT is going to be keep up and running until around 2015. It's NNSA way of saying "See, we are actually still doing important weapons work out at the labs!". I'm not sure how true this is, but NNSA desperately needs to have something to show for all their financial efforts. Sometime after 2015 a new DARHT is suppose to be built and operational out at NTS. Given the upcoming NNSA spending constraints, it would not be out of the question to see this idea killed and the current LANL DAHRT kept up and running for a much longer period of time.

Anonymous said...

I understand the national security mission and deterrence.

I also understand that no one in DC* thinks you are capable of achieving it.

If Mello had said the CMR was unsafe, you would be manning the ramparts to tell us how safe it is. Now that you want a new toy, you go on at great lengths to tell us why the CMR is unsafe.

How about putting the new facility somewhere sensible, such as SRS or ORNL.

* With the exception of one person, who is retiring in 8 months.

Anonymous said...

Its too bad that all Greg has time to do is complain, complain, complain. Perhaps he should move to Iran, or perhaps Russia.
Greg fails to mention the other possible national security programs that could benefit from this facility, or the fact that the building itself is a cheap deterrant to the rouge nations of the world that have, or want to have nuclear weapons. Greg also fails to mention the last nuclear facility buit, or the costs asociated with other facilities. Nuclear facilities are expensive thanks to the poor planning by the government, the stupid and useless requirements placed upon them by the DNFSB and other, and the simple fact that any construction facility does not have a final baseline budget until it is approved. CMRR has not had its final scope, schedule or budget vetted through the DOE/NNSA system. Perhaps Greg can find something else to write on instead of boring us to death with his opinions that are of a former generation.

Anonymous said...

> Its too bad that all Greg has time to do is complain, complain, complain.

Are you complaining about Greg’s complaining? How “meta.”

> Greg fails to mention the other possible national security programs that could benefit from this facility, or the fact that the building itself is a cheap deterrant to the rouge nations of the world that have, or want to have nuclear weapons.

Holy moly. That is some building, to do all that. In that case, fire all the scientists to free up the budget for this magic building.

> Nuclear facilities are expensive thanks to the poor planning by the government, the stupid and useless requirements placed upon them by the DNFSB and other, and the simple fact that any construction facility does not have a final baseline budget until it is approved.

Hmmm, if the government is piss poor at this, then why should it be built. Oh yes, it is a magic building.

> CMRR has not had its final scope, schedule or budget vetted through the DOE/NNSA system.

So, then why the urgency to build, if you don’t know what you are building, what it will do, or how much it will cost?

> Perhaps Greg can find something else to write on instead of boring us to death with his opinions that are of a former generation.

Greg did not post here, and probably does not care what you think. I, however, am fascinated that you make the ludicrous implication that a cold war-era building is relevant, but opposition to a white elephant is “former generation.”

Anonymous said...

Mello's thesis can be summarized as follows:

"Nuclear weapons are evil; the world ought to be free of nuclear weapons; any facility that contributes to nuclear weapons capability should not be built; and (by the way) since nuclear weapons work is LANL's business, LANL should be shut down."

All the rest, those hundreds of words, all those "scholarly" references and quotes, are simply window dressing to promote the idea that Greg must be right because he is not alone.

There would be just as much actual content if Greg kept it brief, as I have, and used the Bible as his inspiration. You can prove anything you want by quoting the Bible. Just so has Mello proven nothing but the obvious fact that he is an anti-nuclear extremist; and, he might hope, that this endless stream of vacuous writing makes him sound like an authority on LANL.

It is all make believe.

Anonymous said...

I just read today that Homeland Security has obtained environmental waivers all in the name of national security to keep putting up fences between us and Mexico. If Homeland Security can say screw the environment over a hokey fence, imagine the argument that can be made for increasing pit production without any environmental considerations. There is so much stuff buried on DP road that no one has a clue as to what's there. And that's only one site. We, our children and future generations deserve that the Lab's mission be focused on great science - there are so many missions - from energy to you name it - that you great scientists can dream of and accomplish. But sadly, under LANS, a mind is a great thing to waste. Or as George Bush, a Bechtelie, said "it is terrible to waste one's mind" or "lose one's mind" or something else totally Dilbert pointed headed boss stupid.

Anonymous said...

Everyone agrees that legacy waste at LANL should be cleaned up, but Congress hasn't provided the mandate or the funds to do so as quickly as we all would like. Don't compain to LANS about that. Complain to your congressman. But make sure that there is new money for it. The people here and the community are strapped enough as it stands. Not that Greg Mellow would care.

In any case, legacy waste has no relationship to modern pit production, for which the waste is rigorously controlled. Somehow the anti-nukes have made an association between WW II and cold war waste and modern nuclear operations. That association is not justified.

Introducing more science and diversifying is something we would all like, but it is not so easy. LANL is an NNSA weapons laboratory. LANS can be blamed for lots of things, but they cannot be blamed for that. There are other government labs that specialize in energy, for example. LANL has to scape very hard against stiff competition and with unfairly burdened labor rates to compete in that market. Even if a gradual transition to a better business portfolio were possible in the long term (decades), that does not mean that the weapons work can be abandoned.